the discussion should be limited to:

1.government involvement. including persecution or harassment. like ccp's current state sponsored anti-nba stuff. however, i want to give ccp some excuse. if ccp truely not get involved in this nba thing. people should realize in china there is not just people like bluesea, there is also lots of lefties, and hard lefties, often prone to use of verbal and physical bullying. htis nba thing could have gone to chaos in china, those lefties might begin a "naming and shaming hanjian" movement. many times ccp had to suppress their zealots. such as anti-japan times.

2. civil violence. economist magazine recently discussed it, there is jsut absolutely no excuse for violnce against sppech, no matter what kind of view, no matter that view how offensive. however, now in america, due to leftie domnance on media, many violence agianst rightie were ignored, such as in campus and in anti white supremacist times.

outside this, lave it to society to peacefully debate it out.

like the colorado gay cake case, i am on the vendor side, he is just a small business, activists can orgnaize all knds of boycoot, name and shame movement, but asking court to force him to give in, in my =view, it is wrong.

on this nba thing, it of course would be ideal to lwave this to civil debate, however china has china's situation, the civilization is just too primitive there compared with america, government involvement is certainly not the worst thing.