送交者: Yush 于 2006-3-31, 04:35:33:
[匿名] 转白秀才
2006-03-30 17:42:25
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送交者: 白字秀才 于 2006-03-29 15:23:02
My gut tells me that Wei doesn't tell the whole story.
first, he said "②关于肿瘤细胞接种的数量,我们文中提到的为1×104~1×106个细胞". In fact, in his nature medicine papper, he said "Mice were then challenged with 1x10(5 ~1x10(7) live tumor cells after the fourth immunization." In method of this paper, he mentioned ast least 4 times of 1x10(5 ~1x10(7) live tumor cells . Where is the 1×104~1×106个肿瘤细胞
come from?
second, he said he used 1x10(5 )~1x10(7) live tumor cells in the paper. It is 100 times differenc. It could make a huge difference. If in the treated group, he used 1x10(5) cells and in the control group, he used 1x10(7) cells. what happened?
third, in this detail reply, he even didn't mention the figure 2 where Si focused. Why did those different tumor cells show so similar growth curve? Si gave the very detail about this part. Wei just ignored it.
another quetion is in this nature medicine paper, he used 0.1 million to 10 million tumor cells for each mouse.
where is the 0.01 million tumor cells he mentioned the reply?
The figure Wei need explain:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3982/presentation10aa.jpg
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[匿名] 孔明翔宇
2006-03-30 18:06:12
白字秀才的话更有道理,看来魏院士真要成为伪院士了。前有丘教授,后有魏院士,真是江山代有恶人出,各营腐败数十月。另外,别指望川大以所谓的川大的名誉来调查了,要不然丘小庆的事几年前就应该解决了。中国现在没有(过去有)一所大学的领导是把大学的声誉看得比自己的一点利益重的,什么顾冠群,朱清时不都是还在各自的学校当校长吗?他们会主动辞职吗?
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[匿名] 魏于全答
2006-03-30 18:14:44
答转白秀才
you have made a mistake. There were two letter,one in Chinese, the other in English. Our chinese letter that you had read is a response for the paper published in a Chinses Journal. Therefore, cell munber that you mentioned was not used in Nature medine. The English letter is a response for Nature medicine. Thank you for your attention.
Wei Yu-quan
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[匿名] 答转白秀
2006-03-30 18:33:24
答转白秀才
你把魏于全在一篇中文杂志的论文的细胞数量当作他的Nature Medicine论文,他附了两封信,请看清楚。